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BTW: For some reason the front page just doesn't wanna play ball (http://www.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/)

And I'm in no mood to try to unwind it. I was hoping maybe you guys could make us a special launch page that is like a normal article but with some options?? Nothing fancy

There is still a lot of work to be done, but the links and stuff are working now:

http://www.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei_III:_Nocturne_Maniax_Chronicle_Edition

Only thing to do is make the links go to the right language page, and fix the language links at the top of the page, which will take you to the right place, but are not so pretty atm. I don't want to put these pages in a place Google can find them until I have this done at least.

I'm a little uncertain about making the wiki links go to different language pages. That could really balloon the number of language pages google sees. I'll probably compromise and make the foreign languages invisible to google (so they won't get listed on google likely, but hell, I don't expect the content on these pages to be translated any day soon)

I'm quoting from much of my experience working in another wiki concerning Final Fantasy, a JRPG series localized for the English audience: it's not weird at all documenting a Japanese release and then overwriting the English release info. Over there, we're constantly mixing English info with Japanese info into the articles, and it's very rare, I do believe to the point of non-existant, that someone bursts in and suddenly asked us to put the Japanese release as the primary source. We quote English releases for the most part, as everyone understands that most people didn't play the Japanese releases. When there's info of the Japanese release, its incorporated into the article without any qualms whatsoever.
    I'd say nothing further about this JP/EN issue - the only way anyone can convince me to put the Japanese release as primary source is anyone who'd actually complete comprehensive, informative wiki articles on elements of Japanese-exclusive MegaTen titles, or anyone who'd actually create comprehensive, informative articles anywhere within the wiki.

I was just trying to bring some closure (after heading a little offtopic) ...you really don't want to make sections that long on a talk page (that's what forums are for!!)

Personally, I think all information is good information, and the goal of the internet should be recording all information and making it accessible in different levels of "granularity". When it comes to original material, any translation or whatever is just a tainted facsimile. It makes much more sense to document the original material by default, then put the various translation notes to an aside. Even if you feel like that seems overkill, just imagine the possibility of changing course down the line... it might not even be an option. Frankly the community makes the wiki, and my hands are full with this dive. Just some words of warning. Building a wiki on translations just seems like building a house of cards on sand.


Edited: Oh, no Maken X is very much not Megaten. But it often gets included just because Kaneko Kazuma has rarely ventured outside the confines of Megaten. One of his artbooks has illustrations from X and Megaten titles, but that's about as close as I'd let Maken X onto this website as long as I had any technocratic clout.

PS: ^We will eventually have a Media Library section where people can upload/share stuff remotely Megaten related, where someone can shove all the Maken X crap they want... but this is clearly a Megaten exclusive website.

Well if you want to read my opinion: It looks neat, really cool to have the wiki with the same layout as the site. But then again, I guess it would be a lot of work to port the wiki into the D3 "style". Good work though.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but I'm assuming it's supportive/inspirational

Basically this website just reads the webpage like a browser, then some programming Im responsible for picks out the incompatible parts and sticks in some other stuff to make it look best as can be. The web pages are cached on our server for a little while the same way the rest of the website is.

It's not supposed to be the biggest draw of this site, but it's just a supplemental fallback for people looking for info. A wiki is really outside the philosophy of this website, so it's actually best it's phrased in terms of a partnership. Basically people will find useful links to these "pseudo" pages when using our search feature, and can also use our site to browse the wiki if they prefer a stripped down reading-only experience without ads (well only ads that meet our guidelines)

^Probably we won't fold ads into the wiki content, but might slip in an avatar at the top of the page eventually if not a problem (there's no rule that says all our pages gotta have ads -- though different page content help stir up different ads, and helps google better target our ads site wide << I think)


PS: Plus it's good to form a unified front I think. Solidarity and all

If you could tell me about how the presentation of your wiki works (like do you pick out a skin-cum-layout / can you edit it / or what?) I might be able to take some action about correcting that table header element abuse problem.

PS: Glad you are cool with this...

Oh! The subforum text now shows as a different colour for new replys.
I think that's the only new change I notice tho ^^;

I think that was always that way (I noticed it when I tried that Smart Phone simulator)

If you mean the fix I made... I fixed your posts that said N/A. Now they say something different (hint: it's cute and informational)

^Funny, I was just reading about this on Wikipedia

The only plus for Veoh is long vids and downloads. It's kinda like a corporate service more than a website. It thinks of itself as a USA television channel on the internet


Two words: Michael Eisner

I think I remember being warned against downloading Veoh's software. Also I remember the site telling me I could only watch so many hours at a time

Edited: Maybe I'm thinking about about a different website?? Wikipedia says Veoh is fairly straight-laced.

^A two second fix for the N/A

And a bug becomes a feature [*bows*]

I found a Winwap emulator that is free, and a Smartphone emulator that is 23$ shareware. Both see the bbs in different ways that are probably custom programmed. Wordpress doesn't have any wap facilities installed however. I thought it did, but now I remember looking up what the alternate Wordpress mode was, and it was Right to Left reading (I thought it was phone mode because it was so underdeveloped)

To be honest I'd hate to use the internet this way (and as you can guess I don't get cell phones -- though I love subnotebook portables)

I might try to make the smartphone service a little better before my free-trial runs out, but I doubt I will get into it. The website's budget isn't enough to pay for the license unfortunately. It can't even pay for a year of hosting as is

PS: I will look into making the main website as phone friendly as possible...

I put your editing up Jessicat, and threw you some credits in a comment.

PS: Our editing always seems to be done after the fact. Maybe we should have the author post their article in the forum as soon as they submit it for review... then as soon as an editor ok's it with a post in the forum, the news goes up (or if no editors jump on it in like a day, it goes up as is -- and I will post that it's going up sans any editing)

FYI: On this page (http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Orthrus)

The first two tables, with the black rows, then the yellow/blue rows alternating. The non-black rows are actually generating th (table header) elements, which is extremely confusing. For instance in the other two tables on that page, the same method is used to demark the name of skills as the first cell of each row. That is a correct way to use headers. But you should never be using headers for variable data (as in Arcana=Hanged Man, "Hanged Man" is variable data, and should be tr, not th)

I'm just pointing this out. I dunno if it's possible for your community to easily rectify, but it's definitely bad form. And we don't really have anyway to clarify it for our pages.

PS: Even though the skill names are variable data, they're more like a set / the subject of the rows, so that is not a problem. That's basically how row headers should be used.

PPS: I don't have a problem with the way the wiki looks. Just technically the html should be generating tr instead of th for these cells. The first two tables are basically a table of all headers. So with our tables (http://www.digitaldevildb.com/wiki/?title=Orthrus) everything is bold/ambiguous

Come on, doesn't any one else think this is rad?

I'm a little disappointed in the lackluster [checks to be sure] non response so far.

I changed the subject line anyway to open this up a little more...


If/when this turns into a full-fledged feature, I might move the discussion...

Come on... I could use a little positive reinforcement.

Oh yeah, that totally explains the N/A actually!! Now I'm wondering what the mobile view looks like...

Can you explain to me the advantages of Veoh versus Youtube? Could we host Veoh stuff on the website and not expect it to disappear for that matter?

We would prefer if you double-posted (triple of whatever) if your posts are more than a few minutes apart. But it's always safer to just double-post!!

I will try to find a phone simulation solution and make the website more phone friendly/cool. I knew the website supported this sort of thing, but have never looked into it. I know because the theme editors always default to mobile mode.

PS: I don't think your posts should be saying N/A ...I'm sure I meant to take that out eventually

Funny though...

If you're trying to make a custom subject, please let me know. Either way, this is a bug~