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I dunno, you might try to find the hashlist.dat file (if it is stored locally -- ie. on your disk) and move it somewhere (then put it back if the game doesn't fix itself)

Worst case scenario you might have to re-install/patch (speaking of which I'm going to have to do that myself later this week, so I feel ya)

Keep trying to update. It usually hangs up on me the first time after an update and might hang up in the middle too. If that doesn't work, try hitting the double check button. It looks like maybe some of your files are corrupted or locked.

Oh you just went there

You're mearly choosing to adopt an easy purview of the human condition. Specifically existential humanism. Which is a great principal by which to articulate ground rules for a maturing society. But its by no means the bedrock of existence itself. If you attempt to appraise everything in terms of the individual, of course your notions of common-sense will differ. But you're playing with symbols, not concepts. The concepts themselves are patterns both macroscopic and micro which repeat and propogate themselves throughout the natural universe (however you wanna define that)

Small caveat, you're needlessly shifting the argument here away from "bad/wrong" to "evil" or mixing the concepts. Frankly evil is much easier to delineate than bad, as it is an absolute modality. Bad/wrong on the otherhand are purely situational in most realms of thought, however within the realm of atistic merit this is in most practical instances of debate not the case, so we're in the clear.

Notice how you've gone from questions of taste to some very broad philosophical dilemmas (which I was attempting to avoid)

editted: Also notice, to say, "Wow I really like/dislike this music.", is a radically different statement than "This music is bad/unlistenible." Of course you can disagree with  this observation, but then you're just mincing symbols again I think, which gets us nowhere.

PS: So what does a Mickey emote really mean then?

Right vs. wrong/good vs. bad is a statement of degree.  Of course Manson didn't just wake up on the wrong side of the bed, but he wouldn't have done what he did if he thought what he was doing was wrong now, would he?  And you can't exactly knock me for "stooping," to analogy when you essentially did the exact same thing.  

I was knocking myself for digging deeper into an analogy than was obviously appropriate. What is with the Mickey emote btw? A custom emote for taunting me? Or am I missing out on something?

Following your logic assumes that there's some sort of arbitrary consensus for what's good and what's bad.  The distinction between goods and evils is a personal one.

Not to say I don't completely agree with you about the soundtrack.

Everyone knows there is a consensus for good/bad even if they don't really comprehend it / grasp the detail. To say otherwise any sane person would give you a dubious look. Its no different with music. There is no opposite culture out there. There is archetypes built into music and all forms of communication which are derived from axioms of reality/the very nature of being that probably transcend all concepts of artifice. You can't say 1 is arbitrary, nor is good music. Of course we discuss music, but really this a conceit of all art or even judgment.

I'm not suggesting you have to be introspective to enjoy music. Perhaps quite the opposite. Chances are though if you're not you'll attach yourself to a particul imprinting of what music means at some point in your life and never be able to enjoy good music which comes from other venues. This association of music is really tied to sex/attraction, where as the alternative way to enjoy music derives pleasure  indirectly from the rush of intellectual understanding.

Ultimately the measure of good music/art is the interest quotient, or how much is inspires you to think. And if you want a pure objectification, the measure is the degree it inspires god to think (where in god is defined as an all knowing/understanding singularity, or like a man that knows everything possible)

I didn't say you couldn't judge music to be good or bad, I just said it's impossible  for that judgment to be valid since there's no good or bad that applies the same  to everyone.  It's like someone from LA saying, "This weather is terrible," and an Inuit saying, "This weather is great," when its 5 below and snowing out.

I don't think it's necessary to be introspective to enjoy music either, though I know it helps with certain genres.

Well of course I'd have to disagree with the basic sentiment of this notion. As for Californians vs. Inuits, your basically making a statement of degree. Or at the most sentiment (familiarity), which is not the same thing as good/bad (right/wrong) ...but I'm not so low brow to pick at a reaching analogy.

I dunno, the nature of this thread is rife for philisophical debate despite that I've really not been in any position to evaluate P3 outside of having listened to the battle theme once.

I could see how it might've flown in Japan. But I would never imagine a NA release with this particular soundtrack intact. That never would've happened only a few years ago. Its a fusion of so many music forms based in deep American heritage completely bastardized and overdubbed with so much belated belted out engrish. Don't get me wrong, I'm as big a fan of the catchy English one liner theme song formula as the next guy. The bread-and-butter of 80s anime music stylings. But more than five tone-deaf english words in any piece of jpop rightly so deserves to be mocked from the rafters. Especially if it sets foot on these shores.

Well I'd rather not get into dissecting this line of thinking... especially cause I'd be inevitablly be accused of seriousness. In short, "taste" is a function of brain chemistry/wiring whatever you wanna call it. So yeah, its subjective. But saying a piece of music can't be judged good or bad, is akin to suggesting Manson woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

The universe is a nebulous place but that doesn't mean its inhospitable.

People can be conditioned to pay for anything and like it, but that doesn't make it fine and dandy either.

The problem of music is for the truly uninitiated there is so much sentimentality embroiled in it. It takes too much introspection for most to divorce yourself from social conditioning and listen to music as it truly is.

I can't personally fully indulge in just any kind of music, but I'm confident I can listen to any piece from any genre/culture and decide whether it is objectively listenible/applicable or not within some broad margin or error -- presuming the listener's mental landscape vaguely coincides with reality (in the broadest sense of that word)

Music is a pretty nebulous topic though, I mean one man's crap is another man's treasure, there really is no accounting for taste.

That's why we have good taste and bad taste :group

Don't puss out just cause you don't get it :whistle:

I would imagine they had to be at least a little faithful to the plot.

You might think, but there is basically two prevailing philosophies when it comes to localization. Most localizations I've encountered regretibly tend to just string along the pictures.  I couldn't tell you if this is done because the original dialog is considerate less than suitable, or if its because the people localizing it don't even attempt to translate/perhaps are barely able to do so.

I couldn't imagine something being cut out like that. Translation wise time equals money, so the only real excuse is SQQ wasn't expected to sell more units, so it was skimped on.

Still seems like so little text in turn for double plus gameplay, not to mention posterity. I can't remember for anything if Revelations was translated faithfully or if text that seemed to fit with the pictures was just inserted.

I wonder why the SQQ wasn't translated. It just doesn't make any sense to not hire on someone to do it unless parts of it seemed too risque for whatever fucked up reason to someone. Or were no-save dungeons too mind blowing for the 32bit generation?

off-topic: For the record, what are the "profanity" rules in here? If I end up posting more social-casually in here, they're bound to start slipping out.

The ownership here is in the can. The news page still isn't functioning. Obviously whoever is paying to keep this operation afloat isn't doing much service towards the patrons, or getting much action for their buck.

As far as I can tell the administration hasn't payed a dimes worth of attention to this host's content since the ship changed hands. That is fine and understandible, But shouldn't someone be running the show?

If the dude holding the bill doesn't wanna intervene (why do I feel like I'm yelling past god) ...then at the least someone(s) should be given full access to this host's content (ftp/ssh/mysql passcodes)

Ethically I have a hard time imagining anyone going over and ruining the site for everyone accidentally or otherwise, so I'd say pretty much anyone with 100+ posts is probably qualified to access the site's backend. Of course there is no reason to do so without purpose, but just saying, someone needs to be running the show, and pretty much anyone would be an improvement.

I think its a shame the rest of the site is in permanent limbo. But over in the dbdb subdomain, we desperately need PHP5. I've scripts sitting in the cgi directory and just need someone to ssh over there and give them a run. Plus the wiki content is becoming too much of an investment to not have a means to back it up. So some kind of snapshot/cvs arrangement has to be worked out asap. I can only copy so many pages markup into backup files.

At any rate, in general I don't think it should be this difficult to get any action around here. I've found the only way to budge the admin seems to be public shame. So I apologize and relenquish my piece.

Was the term "eldritch" actually adopted by the game that way?

Whatever happened to the BGM option?


editted: Someone could hack the soundtrack. It wouldn't be difficult at all I'd think. I might even do it myself, if I decide to play it.

All first-person games should let you see your feet for chrissakes!

You should try it with both epsxe and pcsx (i think those are the names)

I can't remember which one I played it with, but I never had any trouble.

I get better milage with either one for some types of games. But sprite based games usually emulate pretty easy.

I'm not sure what you mean...?  You mean my translation for them?

In Devil Summoner, when you perform an action in a fight, the name of the action pops up in big letters in the upper left hand corner in a kind of purely esthetic Engrish. I'm assuming by your reaction you've never played DS or don't recall the feature, and SH obviously didn't carry over the tradition. The English titles used are pretty much the only close to authentic translation of the names, at least as far as intent is concerned.

Like I said, I've had no problem playing my MIP disc on emulators I've used other than the texture coordinates being a bit jostled in the 3D hallways. You might need a somewhat beefy computer of course to get a completely real-time experience out of it.