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Title: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 18, 2007, 07:00:31 PM
Hey everyone. Sorry about the lack of updates as of late, but I have to admit that I'm finding it harder and harder to work on the site. As such, you will begin to see more updates from our only other staff member, Traci. Traci has remained the only person who has ever contacted me about helping with the site who has seen anything through. As such, I'm happy to be passing a lot of this on over to her. In a sense, she's basically taking over Digital Devil Database (although I will be around).

So, please give her a nice welcome as she gets used to all of this and we finish up the transition.

If anyone else is interested in giving her a hand with news updates or whatever else, feel free to let us know. Thanks!


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 19, 2007, 05:45:24 PM
I'll help out.  I managed to squeeze some free time out of it, so I can work on the site for a while.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: aerozero on November 19, 2007, 09:19:02 PM
I can lend a hand if you need help Tony. The only web editing software I have some experience in, is Dreamweaver though.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: traci on November 22, 2007, 03:18:37 PM
If anyone wants to help with website content I'm getting ready to add definitions to the lexicon for P3 and Raidou(updating SMT2 a bit too).    I will post my list below and if anyone wants to recommend any other terms or even provide a definition that help would be greatly appreciate.

-SMt 2
Thousand year kingdom - completed
Arcadia - completed
necroma - completed

-Devil Summoner
Super Soldier Project
Vials - completed
Yomi kugutsu  (I forget what this means :-\ Even an informal definition would help)
Dark Realm - completed
Magnetite
Herald of Yagutasu - completed
Konnou yah - completed
Dark summoner - completed
Amatsu kanagi  - completed
Shimi No Kage  - completed


-P3
The dark hour - completed
Orgia mode
Velvet room - completed
Elizabeth - completed
Apathy Syndrome
Paulowina Mall
Pharos - completed
The lost - completed
Innocent Sin One  - completed
Strega
Tartarus - completed
Shadows
Transmogrify - completed
SEES - completed


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 22, 2007, 05:15:43 PM
Cool!! Just give some time to arrive at my home, and I began searching deffinitions!!


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 22, 2007, 07:44:48 PM
Ok, here is what I found and another couple of words that sounds interesting to me (sorry if some of those words repit themselves with the original Lexicon):

Shin Megami Tensei 2:

Thousand Years Kingdom (PLACE): The paradise that Aleph`s (or Hawk, can`t remember well) will create, to save mankind. He is told by the Bishop of the Messiah religion that he is the Messiah that carries this task.

Tokyo Millenium (PLACE):  A city created by the Messiahns so that they can live without breeting the infected air from outside.

Necroma (SPELL): A new spell aded to this game, that was used to revive a dead demon as an undead one.

Devil Summoner KR:

Vials (OBJECT): Little metal tubes, were Raidou stores the demons he catches. He can obtain more as he progress in the game, and as he increase its Devil Summoner Rank at the Nameless Shrine.

Nameless Shrine (PLACE): The place that is hidden deep heart of the mountains. Is in here where the Herald of Yatagarasu resides, and the connection to the Dark Realm.

Dark Realm (PLACE): The dark side of the world, where all the demons take home.

Herald of Yatagarasu (PERSON):  The person who claims to be the real boss of Raidou, she have helped a whole lineage of Kuzunohas on they`re quests. She can lead Raidou to the Dark Realm and increase the Devil Summoner Ranks too.

Konnou-Ya (PLACE): Antique shop near Narumi´s place. The place where you can replinish of items. The basement plays host to Victor´s Gouma-Den.

Gouma-Den (PLACE): Is in the basement of Konnou-Ya, and is the secret laboratory of Victor. This is the place where Raidou can fuse his demons.
 

Dark Summoner (PERSON): (Can`t remember well) Is the dark side of Raidou Kuzunoha, he appears on the Dark Realm and Raidou uses an spell to bind him.

Shikimi no Kage (DEMON): A mist-form demon that is weak aggaints some type of Spells or bullets, anyhow these demons aren´t affected againts human attacks. These demons block the path to some areas.  "Shiki" means barrier. These barriers are created by the demons "Ippon-Datara" as a safe guard to some areas.

Amatsu Kanagi (ITEM): Is the secret treasure that holds the Herald of Yatagarasu, (not quite sure) is the artifact that helps Raido, return from the Dark Realm, when the Dark Summoner appears, is like a scroll that he uses to seal him.

Persona 3:


The Dark Hour (EVENT): A certain hour of day, 12:00 p.m. where all the city become devoured by darkness and the Tartarus rises.

Velvet Room (PLACE): The place where the time does not mean anything, is where Igor and he`s crew resides. A place where the characters can summon different Personas, and fuse them.

Elizabeth (PERSON): A client stands beside Igor who will reward you with nice item if you do complete her quest.

Tartarus (PLACE): In classic Greek mythology, below Heaven, Earth, and Pontus. It is either a deep, gloomy place, a pit or abyss used as a dungeon of torment and suffering that resides within Hades or the entire underworld with Hades being the hellish component. In P3, is the place that rises at the Dark Hour, and the scenario of battles, that rises from the school.

S.E.E.S. (ORGANIZATION): Stands for "Special Extracurricular Execute Sector", is the organization formed by the main characters, that are the Persona Users that battles the shadows.

That was all for now, sorry if I repeat some of them. If I find more I`ll post them, and also if you need more, just tell me.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: traci on November 22, 2007, 08:06:56 PM
wow, thank-you so much emilio!


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 22, 2007, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: traci;5697
wow, thank-you so much emilio!


No prob! Glad to be of some help in here.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 24, 2007, 07:46:58 PM
Wow!  Niiiiice Emilio, you got a pat on the back!  Real trooper!

Hey, Traci.  :3  When Tony is done upgrading, maybe it ought to be a better idea to give a real proper thanks to Emilio for doing all this work.  One reason why this site isn't as good as it is, is because there's only one person running the show. :3  So, if you all don't mind, I'll vouch for a nice staff position for Emilio.

Also, since its regular in every SMT game, it might be a good idea to add an ability/spell lexicon.  I wont mind helping out with that one. :3


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: traci on November 24, 2007, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: QBasic;5716
Wow!  Niiiiice Emilio, you got a pat on the back!  Real trooper!

Hey, Traci.  :3  When Tony is done upgrading, maybe it ought to be a better idea to give a real proper thanks to Emilio for doing all this work.  One reason why this site isn't as good as it is, is because there's only one person running the show. :3  So, if you all don't mind, I'll vouch for a nice staff position for Emilio.

Also, since its regular in every SMT game, it might be a good idea to add an ability/spell lexicon.  I wont mind helping out with that one. :3



Yeah I planned on giving him credit on the site- also I was thinking about doing adding stuff to the lexicon for spells... but when adding terms it's so confusing because it's like "I should add Chagall Cafe, wait! If I do that then I will need to add every location that increases one of your stats in P3...is it worth it at this point?"


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 24, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
Quote from: QBasic;5716
Wow!  Niiiiice Emilio, you got a pat on the back!  Real trooper!

Hey, Traci.  :3  When Tony is done upgrading, maybe it ought to be a better idea to give a real proper thanks to Emilio for doing all this work.  One reason why this site isn't as good as it is, is because there's only one person running the show. :3  So, if you all don't mind, I'll vouch for a nice staff position for Emilio.

Also, since its regular in every SMT game, it might be a good idea to add an ability/spell lexicon.  I wont mind helping out with that one. :3


Thanks!! I really appreciate your words. :thanks:
And the reason why I want to help this site and never leave it, is because this was my first forum, and is really cool to hang in here, and since I love so much Megaten.

Quote from: traci;5717
Yeah I planned on giving him credit on the site- also I was thinking about doing adding stuff to the lexicon for spells... but when adding terms it's so confusing because it's like "I should add Chagall Cafe, wait! If I do that then I will need to add every location that increases one of your stats in P3...is it worth it at this point?"


Thank you traci!! Wathever you´re planing tell me!! I want to help! Count with me.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Demi-heat on November 24, 2007, 08:42:56 PM
wow emilio is now famous
¬¬ i want to sobornate some people too

message from emilio:
Oye y pues como le haces o con cuanto dinero les pagas?
XD no es solo bromeando
¬¬ te odio

:P Well thats everything
tres bien emilio!
i dont know why but Tres bien!!

Ken Amada


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 24, 2007, 10:16:02 PM
So you still hate me? :xd::xd:
:cool: Whatever...


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 24, 2007, 10:17:41 PM
"Credit?" >.>  I'm sorry, but thats just crap.  Thats like going from a pat on the back, to a pat on the head.

Traci...I'm assuming this is your first time truly running a site, am I right? :)  Do you have AIM or MSN?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 25, 2007, 12:56:29 AM
I'm not really sure what she could do beyond giving credit for the help considering she has to personally enter all of it. I don't think she meant it to be taken that way, in any case. As it is, Emilio will be helping with other things including this anyway so he'll be given some position on the staff page at the least (which I'd still put under the level of "credit", so I don't know lol). I don't think it's a problem and he'll be given proper citation/position/whatever for anything he does. Same as anyone else that offered help.

So, I guess the short story is "it'll be fine". :D


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Demi-heat on November 25, 2007, 01:03:06 AM
...well emilio how large is your wallet?
you can bribe all the people of this forum

¬¬ dame tu tarjeta de el banco

¬¬ and yes i still hate you
question This is considerating spam?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: aerozero on November 25, 2007, 01:46:15 AM
Quote from: QBasic;5721
"Credit?" >.>  I'm sorry, but thats just crap.  Thats like going from a pat on the back, to a pat on the head.

Traci...I'm assuming this is your first time truly running a site, am I right? :)  Do you have AIM or MSN?


You give credit where credit is due, since Emilio helped out with the definitions and terms, he'll get credit for them. I don't think getting a staff position is as easy as giving information for a one time thing, you have be a dedicated writer or constant contributer or something.

And what's wrong with a pat on the back? :cheers:

Also Tony did you add new smilies?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Enid on November 25, 2007, 01:57:03 AM
Quote from: Emilio Morales;5696

 
Dark Summoner (PERSON): (Can`t remember well) Is the dark side of Raidou Kuzunoha, he appears on the Dark Realm and Raidou uses an spell to bind him.


I believe the Dark Summoner name is,Rasputin.I wouldn't exactly call him,Raidou's dark side either...unless you are talking about the alternate universe he gets thrown in.Atleast that's how it sounds like to me...but other than that,don't mind me.

I'm also not trying to recorrect him,but just helping out...I am just going by my memory of the last time I've played Devil Summoner,and that was last year towards the end of 2006.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 25, 2007, 12:11:14 PM
Okay, so lets figure that Traci DOES do all the work on the site, and people around here help her out along the way.

What would be the case if some super duper urgent news comes up, and Traci doesn't happen to be very much online, hm?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: traci on November 25, 2007, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Enid;5726
I believe the Dark Summoner name is,Rasputin.I wouldn't exactly call him,Raidou's dark side either...unless you are talking about the alternate universe he gets thrown in.Atleast that's how it sounds like to me...but other than that,don't mind me.

I'm also not trying to recorrect him,but just helping out...I am just going by my memory of the last time I've played Devil Summoner,and that was last year towards the end of 2006.

Yeah, I was referring to Devil Summoners who have turned to the evil side (for lack of a better definition). Thanks for pointing that out.

Also Qbasic, until now Tony has done the news by himself and sometimes he's been too busy to post "super duper urgent news" as it comes- so there will be no change? But if that isn't acceptable, I have good news, Tony and I have actually been in contact with someone else who may end up taking a key role in the site.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 25, 2007, 03:53:11 PM
Quote from: traci;5729
Yeah, I was referring to Devil Summoners who have turned to the evil side (for lack of a better definition). Thanks for pointing that out.

Also Qbasic, until now Tony has done the news by himself and sometimes he's been too busy to post "super duper urgent news" as it comes- so there will be no change? But if that isn't acceptable, I have good news, Tony and I have actually been in contact with someone else who may end up taking a key role in the site.

...

I'm sorry, but that last paragraph...I'm sorry, lol, but I probably wont be coming back to this site anymore.  Give me ONE fucking good reason as to why anymore?!

This is absolute incompetence!


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 25, 2007, 05:08:57 PM
What exactly is the problem? I'm not even sure what you're ranting about at this point. This is a hobby for anyone involved and I have a full time job aside from this. This isn't freaking Associated Press. I lose money on this thing between hosting, paying for the vBulletin license, items from Japan to add to the site, the games to begin with, not to mention the time spent that could be done doing other things. If I was pulling something in here and it was all I did you might have a point.

I think you're over exaggerating a lot of this to begin with. Traci isn't fully taking over the site, she's essentially taking on a larger role than she did. No one else had ever offered before and I've posted several requests for help on the main site since it has started.

And despite that, Traci was the ONLY person who ever offered me direct help on the site (beyond some corrections or something in the forum that we've always credited) and then actually did anything. Every one else has found that they too are too busy to contribute to this site as much as they would like (which I think is perfectly acceptable and understandable)--and even then I think about 7 people ever contacted me about it. There's not this line of people that have offered to write news posts for me. Do you seriously expect me to have a team of six writers to cover for each other the second something "super duper urgent" happens in the Megaten world? Seriously? lol.

Let's face it, nothing concerning this series is "super duper urgent" to begin with. Not one really has has patted me on the back when we've had news first (which much to my surprise has happened many times), but apparently they're willing to attack when I don't have it on the same day. How is that fair to any of us working on this project?

If it's really that much of a problem, you're more than free to make your own site and I would have no problem supporting it. I earnestly hope it goes well and lives up to your standards. Or you can go check out Megaten Haven or something. I don't know what else to say. You're being more passive aggressive than anything else to begin with, so I'm not sure what's making you fit to judge every one else's time commitments to this site. I've probably put in more time related to Megaten crap than half this board combined, if you want to get snappy about it. This isn't our career, it's not our life and we're just people. I'd appreciate your general input, but I'd also appreciate some level of patience with the situation. Thank you.

And thanks to the people who have been more understanding about it.

Aerozero: I haven't added any new smilies in a long time. I think there's quite a bit if you open up the full box, though.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 25, 2007, 06:54:39 PM
Quote from: Enid;5726
I believe the Dark Summoner name is,Rasputin.I wouldn't exactly call him,Raidou's dark side either...unless you are talking about the alternate universe he gets thrown in.Atleast that's how it sounds like to me...but other than that,don't mind me.



Yeap, like traci said! I was wondering the same about it, so that´s why I put "Can´t remember well" because I was confused, to put Rasputing or the dark side of Raidou, anyway, I just put my deffinition of Raidou´s dark side, cause I think Rasputin´s deffinition would be a much easier deffinition to find.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Enid on November 25, 2007, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: Emilio Morales;5733
Yeap, like traci said! I was wondering the same about it, so that´s why I put "Can´t remember well" because I was confused, to put Rasputing or the dark side of Raidou, anyway, I just put my deffinition of Raidou´s dark side, cause I think Rasputin´s deffinition would be a much easier deffinition to find.


Ah,I see.That makes sense as to what you were going for,and what Traci wanted:

Quote from: traci;5729
Yeah, I was referring to Devil Summoners who have turned to the evil side (for lack of a better definition).


That is probably the best way to put it,but I can understand why you did think of Rasputin in that way.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Demi-heat on November 25, 2007, 11:11:43 PM
Emilio let me have the demi kids part please!!
¬¬ por eso de lo que andamos haciendo
i put the text in spanish because....i dont know how to put in english
:P Please

i put the message here because problaby you cant find me online in msn

Ken Amada


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 26, 2007, 12:42:49 AM
Quote from: Tony;5731
What exactly is the problem? I'm not even sure what you're ranting about at this point. This is a hobby for anyone involved and I have a full time job aside from this. This isn't freaking Associated Press. I lose money on this thing between hosting, paying for the vBulletin license, items from Japan to add to the site, the games to begin with, not to mention the time spent that could be done doing other things. If I was pulling something in here and it was all I did you might have a point.

I think you're over exaggerating a lot of this to begin with. Traci isn't fully taking over the site, she's essentially taking on a larger role than she did. No one else had ever offered before and I've posted several requests for help on the main site since it has started.

And despite that, Traci was the ONLY person who ever offered me direct help on the site (beyond some corrections or something in the forum that we've always credited) and then actually did anything. Every one else has found that they too are too busy to contribute to this site as much as they would like (which I think is perfectly acceptable and understandable)--and even then I think about 7 people ever contacted me about it. There's not this line of people that have offered to write news posts for me. Do you seriously expect me to have a team of six writers to cover for each other the second something "super duper urgent" happens in the Megaten world? Seriously? lol.

Let's face it, nothing concerning this series is "super duper urgent" to begin with. Not one really has has patted me on the back when we've had news first (which much to my surprise has happened many times), but apparently they're willing to attack when I don't have it on the same day. How is that fair to any of us working on this project?

If it's really that much of a problem, you're more than free to make your own site and I would have no problem supporting it. I earnestly hope it goes well and lives up to your standards. Or you can go check out Megaten Haven or something. I don't know what else to say. You're being more passive aggressive than anything else to begin with, so I'm not sure what's making you fit to judge every one else's time commitments to this site. I've probably put in more time related to Megaten crap than half this board combined, if you want to get snappy about it. This isn't our career, it's not our life and we're just people. I'd appreciate your general input, but I'd also appreciate some level of patience with the situation. Thank you.

And thanks to the people who have been more understanding about it.

Aerozero: I haven't added any new smilies in a long time. I think there's quite a bit if you open up the full box, though.


You're absolutely ignoring and undermining your own community.  You say "they can help out, and receive pats on the back", while anyone who's to actually work on the site, you go out and look for someone completely on the outside...when you got competent staff members right here!  You don't need anyone from out there man, its all in here!


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 26, 2007, 12:50:34 AM
I tried to keep this short, but there's so many points it brings up that I want to address...

I haven't looked for anyone on the "outside". I only know Traci thanks to making this site. You're in the forum, you've read the main posts on the front page then right? I've asked for help on the main page and those posts appear in this very forum for all people to read and post replies to (or people can even PM me). No one had ever seriously responded before and actually helped except Traci. And she just contacted and offered out of the blue. Sorry to tell you.

This is the first request I've made where anyone has given any serious response to me about actually helping. Emilio and Demi-Heat offered to help, I spoke them and we're figuring out every thing they'll be doing and how to set it up. They're all set to go. They will be staff, they will be on the staff page. You're telling me that people here could be the staff and that's exactly what's been happening all along! lol

You're acting like you're aware of every e-mail, PM or IM I've ever gotten regarding this site. Sorry, but it's not all in plain view on the forums. You don't even specifically know what Traci has done so far... which, trust me, is far more than it might seem to you.

I still can't even get over the idea of "giving credit" being a pat on the back. Emilio helped out with some quickly written Lexicon entries and so he'll get credit for that. Enid put up news about the anime, so I credited him for pointing it out. Traci has actually done things beyond that on the main site, so she's on the staff page. All three of them seem happy with this and you seem to be the only one coming to this conclusion that I'm undermining and insulting them. This isn't some crazy methodology I've invented, this is how sites are usually handled.

If people want to help and have anything specific to offer to the content of the site they have to tell me. 99% of the news worthy things that get posted here wind up on the front news page and the person who wrote about it is given full credit. This is how every other site seems to work without a problem. Really, there's only so many times I'm going to ask for help with little results before I give up and just allow people to come to me about it.

What do you want me to do? Make every one that posts in here ever a staff member of the site? Pay them? What would I have to do for you to not consider it a pat on the back? What sites have you been to that do this?

I mean, you're basically volunteering the whole forum when none of them have even said they wanted to do this. Never mind the fact that the previous people who have contacted me mostly have had forum accounts and just haven't had the time they wished to help. What can I really do about that? Nearly every one that has said they're interested turns out to not be able to help and I'm getting bitched out over that? How is that my fault? lol

I can't just give every one with some news or an idea free roam of the main site. It's not just news sections, it's also pages about games and characters and whatever else. That's what forums are for, people can post whatever they want in there. If you want to make a site that's set up like that, feel free to. That's just not how this one works. It's not a Wiki. Megaten Haven has one of those, people can contribute to it freely as they wish to.

Anyway, if you don't see my point after this I don't know what else to say and I'll certainly regret writing this much (as I did with my previous post). I'm sorry you feel I'm treating people poorly, even though none of the people in question have told me they feel that way.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: yksehtniycul on November 26, 2007, 03:51:50 AM
Woahh, passing up the battle posts. If you are serious, you should setup a Wiki open to all members. You can keep the front page stuff along with the Wiki, for ease of presentation, but you will find that over time the Wiki information will be much better and more informed then whatever single individuals can maintane. Then you can simply copy from the wiki into your home brew presentation.

As for SMT2, I'm not a big fan, but Hawk (Haku) was the hero's Valhalla Colloseum Fighter name. (think professional wrestling)

Aleph is simply the default player name. Rather than confusing visitors, its best to refer to this character in all games as the hero and heroine. (law/chaos hero in SMT1 -- also using the default names pushes your alignment to law, unless you re-enter them manually)


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 26, 2007, 08:06:32 AM
Well, first of all, thanks for the info. I'm sure Traci will appreciate it.

As for the rest... Part of me just really doen't even want to maintain a Wiki or set it up. Megaten Haven already has one set up as it is and anyone can go add to it now if they wished to. For that reason alone, I just don't think it's really all that necessary and I almost feel like I'd be doubling up on what that site provides even more than I already am through these forums. I'm not really comfortable doing that.

I am also am not really convinced that most people would even add to the thing considering the existence and status of that one and the actual Wikipedia entries in general (which contain some rather basic information). A lot of the point of this site was that I wanted to make a site that I was responsible for and where I could maintain some level of control over the presentation, writing quality and so forth. Allowing a Wiki to take over all of this is the complete opposite of what I was going for, although I suppose making it complementary like you describe wouldn't hurt that.

I don't think it's a bad idea, don't get me wrong. I think if it worked out well it could help a lot. It's just hard to invest the time, energy and bandwidth into something I'm not convinced people would even use. I invested a lot of time and money into these forums, for example, and it took over a year for them to even be considered slow lol.

But If people think they'd use it and I'm wrong, then I'm willing to do it. I mean, that seems like what qbasic is pushing for in addition anyway (although none of that really mentions the writers/editors name, so I don't know). Assuming you were thinking you might add things to it, that's two people potentially right there lol.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: yksehtniycul on November 26, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
The current Megaten Haven "staffers" last I was familiar with it, were by no means a stable or suitably professional crew. The presentation of this site is much better, however it is understandible not to setup another Wiki. The English Megaten community have never really been able to get their horses together on properly archiving the Megaten universes.

You should consult with the Megaten Haven people, and talk about sharing the Wiki, along with any other fansites who want to create resevoires of game information. That way at least if any site folds, then someone can keep the Wiki alive.

Before adding to your own site database, you should always add to a Wiki first and let the info ferment for a while, or at the least make sure there is a section in the Wiki for what you want to document.

You should also always pay attention to the whatever chosen central Wiki's update logs.

Whatever you do, just don't waste the community's time by doing it halfway or half-ass. Wiki's are great for pooling the human resources of a community. Also the best sources you can find are typically text FAQs, as they are the only format compilers can count on persisting as the internet evolve.  So copying info from FAQs to a hypertext archive should be your primary order of business. You should comb Japanese sources as well, which can be great sources of ingame art and stats, and shuld be the primary source for any archive as most of the franchise remains a Japanese exclusive offering, and many of the most knowledgible players you'll find favor the Japanese releases.

Play your cards right at this moment, and you could easily become the premier community hub. Get your visitors up, and if users won't donate, throw up some ads and make yourself some money. The internet doesn't pay for itself. I've known times when the Megaten community was overflowing with netizens. One of the Megaten games was dubbed best RPG of the year not too many years ago. There is no reason why that audience isn't out there somewhere looking for resources and community.

Personally with Imagine on the horizon, this feels like it should be a new dawn for Megatendom. Imagine is the best cannon title I've seen since Megaten 2. People should be playing it. For me, playing a game in Japanese was always half the appeal of Megaten for some reason. It is a meta game that adds a whole new layer of discovery. You neo-fans are just too lazy and pampered to get into the game.

editted: No I wouldn't personally add anything to a Wiki other than criticism and suggestions. My lifestyle just doesn't permit these sorts of diversions. I think it would be awesome to compile the collective knowledge base of the community however, in a hypertext format, and in one easy to use and look at repository. Most of the info is already out there. It just needs to be organized. Well, I might help a little with translation and explaination if anyone wants to seriously take on the Famicom games.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Enid on November 26, 2007, 12:54:47 PM
About making a wiki,this is my opinion on it...and I'm more of leaning towards Tony's point of view.I mean,yes they are great to have,but some of the wiki pages I have been seeing,I just don't like how they are organized.

Take the P3 wikipedia page...that page has been changed over several months.They even had Persona references towards the bottom of the page.
Example:
Take the company that Mitsuru's father is in charge of,and when he mentions,the Kirijo Family and the Nanjo group....Not everyone is familiar with Nate's last name...or rather,his japanese name "Kei Nanjo".I'll be honest,I didn't even catch that until I saw it on that P3 wiki page,and of course there is Maya....but we all know that one.
Then there was the "Death's poem" submitted on that page,I really liked seeing that poem...and then they removed it.In which,I'm curious as to why it was removed...I mean,was it to avoid spoiling something? Or was it just "pointless info" to submit on there? Personally,I don't think it was....someone took the time to actually write down those words,and I'm sure there are a few...maybe more,that really liked it as well.

This may come off as a personal rant here,or "I just don't like how they took down important things or my favorite things",etc.I'm just only pointing out,why I dislike these wiki pages...not that I am against the idea either,but really hope,if it does go through...that it will atleast stay true to providing the fans as much info,even if it May be considered pointless or not important to the plot itself.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 26, 2007, 01:04:02 PM
Yeah, I mean, I definitely do see the strengths of the Wiki platform despite all the concerns I have. I can set one up and obviously anyone can work on it as they please to. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

I would need to find someone that would be interested in the overall management of it. It would be difficult for me to manage both the main site and the Wiki. I can start up some basic sections or something. My concern is that, really, if this is something put on top of me beyond the general installation that it will be half-assed. I just don't have the additional time.

The nice thing about is that if we're too busy with the main site for some reason, people can still expand upon the Wiki. Hopefully enough people are interested to do so.

As for FAQs, the issue is that most people who write them are not open to people using them like that. Half of them won't even get back to me about hosting them on my site, let alone taking information from them. We'd have to get them to OK it and maybe if they wanted they could help maintain sections related to what they're doing. At least that's my thought on it unless someone has a different idea?

Edit: I've pretty much decided on PmWiki, by the way. It seems like it would be the easiest for people to use, which is most important to me.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 26, 2007, 04:04:34 PM
Wiki would be interest, but only to the people here.  Not many outside would really care.  You gotta focus beefing the main site up first before anything else.  And at this point, you'll REALLY need beefing.

I don't want to sound egotistical or pompous, but it might be a good idea if you take me up on my help and advice.  I'm not just some random nobody. :-)


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 26, 2007, 04:06:37 PM
If you have this awesome idea, please tell me what it is and I'll thank you wholeheartedly. The problem is that I'm not even sure what your advice is at this point (aside from maybe you wanting to be able to write news entries?). Everything you've said has revolved around me not doing things right or that there's not enough content on the site. And I think in a way these are justifiable complaints; I've even brought up these issues myself many times in my posts on here and on the main site. This is exactly what we're working to fix and we're doing it with people from the community (as we have all along). I'm not asking my Aunt Sally to help lol.

From my perspective, a lot of what this seems to be coming down to the fact that I didn't post about the Persona 3: Fes finding you wrote about on our forums (although ironically, all Siliconera did was credit your name... I'm not sure why that's so bad if we do it). I'm sorry, I was busy at the time. It was good news, I screwed up in not posting it and I admit that. If I don't see something on the forum, people can IM me or PM or e-mail me, but I didn't receive anything about it (it's possible it was lost, in the case of mail). I would have loved to have 10 people to cover me, but unfortunately that's never come to fruition despite how many times I've asked in the forums and on the main site.

Your other big point seems to be your idea the front page is difficult to update. This isn't the case, although I will say that it's still easier to just click reply in a forum and type a sentence than write, categorize and tag a full post. All of the news posts are handled through a CMS and it's set up far better than anything CuteNews could handle. It handles the archives, it even creates and links comments to the posts into vBulletin automatically. We're not hand coding it lol.

I'm currently working on the site so that EVERY page of the site (including the news) is handled through a CMS. That's what the big update is about, so that every page is as easily updated so anyone working on the site (you, me, whoever in the world) will have a far easier time of it so that these delays and such don't happen anymore on any part of the site whether it's the news, a game page or a new article. And combining this with Traci and a few other people I've been talking to about roles on the site I think that will become far less of a problem... and if we still need more people, then we'll see about getting them.

This is what I was excited about and I thought it would be good news. I guess it isn't.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 26, 2007, 05:10:06 PM
:updown: Wow, this turn out like a "Detective Story" :xd::xd:


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Heat on November 26, 2007, 05:35:02 PM
Quote from: QBasic;5754
I'm not just some random nobody. :-)


Who are you, then?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: aerozero on November 26, 2007, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: Tony;5731
Aerozero: I haven't added any new smilies in a long time. I think there's quite a bit if you open up the full box, though.


Ah, I've never scrolled down all the way before on that box, so I thought they were new >_>


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 26, 2007, 06:33:40 PM
Quote from: aerozero;5763
Ah, I've never scrolled down all the way before on that box, so I thought they were new >_>

We actually don't have as many as we used to. At one point the forum had to come down and I lost quite a few. There's still more here than I seem to come across at most places, though. Probably too many lol. :corkysm17


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: aerozero on November 26, 2007, 11:33:58 PM
:megaman:

hahaha you even have a Megaman one! Awesome.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Demi-heat on November 26, 2007, 11:39:34 PM
Is it me, or there are a lot of new people coming to the forums?
:P New members more popularity
More Fame
More Power for the forum!!
more...money?

Ken Amada


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Enid on November 27, 2007, 02:23:44 AM
Quote from: aerozero;5766
:megaman:

hahaha you even have a Megaman one! Awesome.


Lol,I agree.That is awesome.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: yksehtniycul on November 27, 2007, 07:39:44 AM
The benefit of a wiki is really only that anyone can lean in and add/fix something. I don't think the Megaten community needs more than one however. All manner of diplomacy should be tried before resorting to such a fracturing gesture. I would not link to a wiki from the front page. Its an awesome way however to get everyone collaborating. You can always copy Wiki info into a more tailored layout elsewhere.

editted: The great thing about a wiki is nothing is ever completely removed. If you like something that was for some reason, just drag it back out of the history. Try to respect the original authors wishes however -- as perhaps they could've removed it themselves. And as for FAQs, just do like in highschool, take their info and make it your own. Its not even worth giving credit to FAQ writers, the info is out there, crediting them would just be clutter.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 27, 2007, 10:05:07 AM
Well, from that standpoint there's also really nothing stopping anyone from sending me things they wrote about games or characters or whatever else... Like if someone wanted to write something about Aigis for the Persona 3 section, then I'd be all for that and would be more than happy to work it into the site.

The thing is that nothing like that has even happened. I've even tried asking if people would be interested in writing just general articles (for that article section) and while one person offered he was never actually able to find the time to do it.

Basically, I'm more than willing to accept fixes, adjustments or expansions on any of the content on the main site. There's several ways to contact me... e-mail, the forums, PMs, IMs. And if someone wants to do that once or a million times, it's up to them.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 28, 2007, 12:35:52 PM
News entries is something I'm willing to write and work on on the main page as long as you're willing to let me write and work on them.

My current is advice, is plain and simple: hire Emilio for a regular staff position on the site, just like Traci.

See, that wasn't so difficult, right?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Heat on November 28, 2007, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: QBasic;5819
My current is advice, is plain and simple: hire Emilio for a regular staff position on the site


No. Don't listen to this guy.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 28, 2007, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: QBasic;5819
My current is advice, is plain and simple: hire Emilio for a regular staff position on the site, just like Traci.


That sounds cool! :cool:

Quote from: Heat;5827
No. Don't listen to this guy.


Why? :xd:


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on November 28, 2007, 12:52:05 PM
I know you don't like Emilio lol. He's a nice guy and very helpful though.

QBasic: OK, that's all I was looking to know. I wasn't trying to start arguments, but in any case it seems to have worked out fine so I am happy lol. :)

Emilio is actually one of a couple of people helping out with the demonary and as such is becoming staff. Gathering data, images, etc. Obviously English isn't his first language, so I'll help him edit anything, but a vast majority of the work is gathering things to begin with. He and a few other people will be added to the staff page soon.

And yes, I'd be interested in news posts from you if you would like to do it. The system we have now is pretty simple (title the entry, write it, pick the category, submit). However, I'm moving every thing over to a new system and as such I think it might be better for me to wait until that's all set. I can send some information over to you about how to do all of that when it's ready, if that's cool with you. I imagine it won't be more than a couple of weeks, because I really want to get this going.

If people want to help out all they have to do is tell me or ask me... I'm totally open to it and always have been. It just hasn't come up very often lol.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on November 28, 2007, 12:55:35 PM
Quote from: Tony;5829

Emilio is actually one of a couple of people helping out with the demonary and as such is becoming staff. Gathering data, images, etc. Obviously English isn't his first language, so I'll help him edit anything, but a vast majority of the work is gathering things to begin with. He and a few other people will be added to the staff page soon.


Yeap, English isn´t my first language, but I do what I can, anyway is not like no one understands me. And don´t worry about the demonary, is just going perfect.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Heat on November 28, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: Emilio Morales;5828
Why? :xd:


Is this a serious question?


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: QBasic on November 28, 2007, 04:45:19 PM
Heat, stop procrastinating.

Tony, I'm a patient guy.  I can wait til its all set. :)


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on December 02, 2007, 08:56:36 PM
Hey Traci, here are some more words.

Transmorgrify (EVENT): Those who do not experience the dark hour spend it, "Transmorgrified" into coffin-like objects. All their senses are suspended, and they don´t have memory of what happens during the unearthly hour.

Shadows (DEMONS): These bizarre foes appear during the Dark Hour. Their appearence and abilities are very distinctive. Even if people are able to experience the Dark Hour, their minds will be devoured if they don´t have the ability to battle the Shadows.

Port Island (PLACE): Gekkoukan High is located on Port Island. The main character and his friends commute to this artificial island to the students dorm every day by monorail. There seems to be a mystery sorrounding the artificial island´s construction.

Victims (PERSONS): Sometimes, those without the potential are able to experience the Dark Hour. Without the power to fight back, they become feasts for the Shadows. Their minds are slowly devoured...

Taked from the Official Web of Persona 3.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Jessicat on December 02, 2007, 09:06:07 PM
Hmmm, maybe when finals are finally over I can help out a little too? I'm like, the resident Demikids fan here XD I can have an excuse to replay the gba games and pick on a few of the terms for the lexicon. Though they might be a bit dumbed down since its the english version ^^; (Beelzebub = Zebul? o.O srsly) Though I'm surprised incubus & succubus didnt get censored any >_> And the demikids tcg cards scanned too X3


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Himuro on December 02, 2007, 11:56:02 PM
I'm still willing to help create plot analysis' for the SMT games released here over Tony.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Tony on December 03, 2007, 11:06:33 AM
Jessicat - I know that Traci has been doing some work on Demi-Kids, so you might want to PM her directly and see what's going on. I'm more than happy to accept your offer though. Feel free to PM me with what you'd like to do specifically.

Himuro - Yeah, I remember we talked about that. I don't know how you would best like to handle that... if you want to write up some of your own ideas and share them with me, etc. You can PM me about that as well, if you'd like to.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Emilio Morales on December 05, 2007, 10:37:26 AM
Hey Traci do you need other words for the lexicon? I´m willing to look for character profiles if you want, of course if you want to put characters definition in there too.


Title: Re: Staff Updates
Post by: Demi-heat on December 07, 2007, 09:23:09 PM
"Shin Megami Tensei Series" is sound familiar to somebody?
i think is a game for PS3 but really i dont know