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Completely off topic, but when english patch was mentioned I thought I'd just say that Innocent Sin's english patch is at 98% now. Well it has been for 2 weeks so I'm guessing another month until it's 100% done.

I'll make a post for moderators to nominate themselves in. We won't appoint any until the bbs officially re-opens however. Remind me if I forget.

Interesting...

Anyway, great job with all the work and constant updates, yksehtniycul. If you need anything, just ask. Though I can't say that I'm well versed at all with creating and maintaining a forum. The most I could see myself doing is helping with gathering Meganten related information once this site is up and going.

Nice, I was wondering when this would come. Great work, I'll be looking forward to chatting with you all once again on the new site.

Why does a review for FES matter? You essentially know what it's going to be before you play it. Why listen to any reviewer for that matter?

Yeah of course it needs admins. But, I mean, what can we really do? Who has authority as of now?

I don't really pre-order games unless there's some bonus involved for doing it, so no. I'll just go to gamestop the day of release and buy it.

I think it's fair to compare games with your opinion, even if there are different people involved with what you're comparing. I mean, most things compared are of things that are made by different people, and choosing not to compare things because of a difference in the minds that worked on them kind of negates many comparisons that have been made. Unless, of course, the comparison is something unfair such as limiting factors of the time like technology, in this case. But your opinion on whether adequate or inadequate effort was put into releases, past or present, different people or the same, is still fair game. Of course, this is a very brief thought on what's fair to compare and what isn't.

As a matter of fact, I enjoyed Persona 2's gameplay and I didn't find it to be clunky. Graphics didn't really bother me either. And, I don't know if you think Persona 2's story was deep (however good it was), but Persona 3 isn't that shallow compared to it. It certainly shouldn't garner contempt at the plot that was laid out. Characters can enhance a plot just as much as an intricate plot can be intriguing and engrossing(although an intriguing and intricate plot with boring characters falls flat). I enjoyed Persona 3's characters, and that amplified the plot for me.

You know, I'd throw up the argument that SMT was created well before Pokemon, but whatever. I guess for some people 1995 comes before 1992, or 89 if you want to be specific. So, if time was actually followed chronologically, you would say something like "Cuddly SMT monster in a cute setting and they  fit into little balls? Sounds like it sucks"

Yeah I guess we do differ in that aspect. Although I still believe video games are a form of art in their own part, but I don't much care for art so I don't look at it in an artistic perspective, I just look at it as a game. I always thought the art in the Megaten games were fine, it didn't repel me from the screen, but then again I've only had up to high school education in art so what do I know? I understand where your coming from now, but don't fully agree. I won't get on your case on this anymore since I found the reason:P.

Have JRPG's become just a fetish in the states or am I missing something more?

You're definently missing something more. You seem to have this unflinching cynicism towards JRPGs, well Atlus specifically as I don't know much of what you like, and it seems to distort your enjoyment for the parts you like about the genre. At least, that's what I see. I haven't seen much praise for Atlus' games from you at all, aside from those pseudo praises you give out on occasion. It's fine that you don't like them, but calling them unplayable? Unless you meant that you yourself could not sit down and play the games for more than five minutes, I get what you mean. But they are certainly are 'playable' by general standards.  

About this 'fetish' thing: I understand JRPGs are catered to a specific crowd, but I do not think it's that bad. Sure, there are variations all around that are within the bounds of its genre. You could say the same towards any genre, they all do things to cater to a specific person. In light of a better word, because fetish is just a horrible word period, they're more obscure. I wouldn't call them a fetish because, as I said before, any game in any genre would focus on what their game is supposed to be. Therefore, if you want to play a shooter because you desire a shooter specifically for enjoyment, isn't that a fetish too? Awareness of a genre doesn't have much to do with it, since technically all of these games fall under the fetish classification.

Persona 4(Otherwise my post would be way off-topic): I have faith that Atlus will give me an enjoyable game. They haven't let me down since I first got into the series. Each subsequent game I've played has been great, and I hold high hopes for this one. This murder/mystery take is also a very intriguing one, I'll enjoy seeing where they take it.

I've become weary of thinking anything that doesn't have 'imo' stapled all over it is trying to be stated as fact, so I'll just point out the obvious subjectivity there. Even though I do not like FFXII too much, I cannot deny the fact that it is a well made game. It is a stable RPG with much to offer for what SE wanted it to do, regardless of how mediocre I think it is. Not much can be done to put JRPG developers 'on the map' aside from Square Enix, regardless of subjective opinions. The fact is that Final Fantasy XII was still praised by critics and a good number of fans. SE will be what most Americans who don't know much of other Japanese developers will think of when they here the term JRPG, that won't change for a while. Especially with American RPGs taking the forefront, I'd say that JRPGs as a whole are going to take the back burner for quite some time. Most American RPG fans want more Bioware RPGs akin to Mass Effect not a series called Shin Megami Tensei(Shin Magenta? Shin Magama?), though that name will probably not even reach their ears.

By the way, vulnerability? If anything most critics thought FFXII was ambitious, bringing them to a higher esteem than before. Remember, critics sway a good part of the sales. I can assure you Atlus won't be going too far on American shores other than the peak sales they saw with Persona 3, sadly.

Persona 4 note: I hope the soundtrack isn't a majority of pop and hip hop. But then again  it'd just be my opinion when I say that I'd prefer them to do a soundtrack in the vein of SMT III or DDS, so I'll just take what they give me for what it is.

That's...mildly interesting. Nevermind, it isn't really. It's a pretty boring page for a game that's supposedly 85% done. Could've added some artwork or something.

Whatever Lugn, I still see some lapse in logic there. Regardless of story, Persona 2 was released a year after, and I'm betting it was near normal retail price of a new game. Because they used the same system, same graphics etc. to make it I'm sure the price to create it was lesser than when making IS, so why weren't you angered when you learned about this? This would still qualify as a 'rushed' release, wouldn't it? After all, they didn't try anything new when doing it, they just did what fans asked(correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that a main factor for EP was because fans demanded it): A continuation of the story. And I said eight years as an indication to when it was made and how long the gap between when the same event occurred, although this occurrence is speculation because we don't truly know how Persona 4 will play. I didn't actually believe you waited eight years, anyway. I haven't even known about Megaten for half that length. After all, it's your choice to not buy subsequent releases from Atlus, not like it matters at all.

By the way, yksehtniycul, whose ass are megaten fans kissing? Can't really kiss an ass when it isn't there.

I'm done with the series.I don't plan on buying any more persona games after playing Persona 3.Persona 4 is shaping up to be a rushed sequel (P3 only came out a year ago) with only a few changes from the previous title.

Wait, you're done with the series now? What about when Persona 2 had a second part that came out almost exactly a year after the first one? Why weren't you done then? Although only one half got localized, you could still pull the lazy card on Atlus then, so why wait 8 years? I, for one, am enjoying Persona 2, even though the images of innocent sin look exactly like eternal punishment. Does that ruin the game for me that they probably minimized developmental processes by using the same exact system? Not at all, I'm thoroughly immersed in the game. I'll hold all criticism about this till I get the game.

I was just fooling around, I knew what you meant. A game isn't really beaten until you do all of what it has to offer. I was just being a picky bastard.

Anyway, still an awesome game.