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So, I've been playing this game off and on since yesterday and I've broken it down to the GOOD and the BAD.

The GOOD:
-Well, obviously it's Maniacs without Dante so that's already a plus in my book.
-You can import data from previous editions of Nocturne (Maniacs or regular).
-It looks like the Amala dungeon and other additional features from Maniacs are intact.

The BAD:
-No New Game + for previous editions.  So you have to go through the whole damn game again without your old game's Akuma Zenshou.  You also don't get to keep the hoodie since it isn't a New Game +.
-You are allowed up to five nakama from previous games to be imported into your Akuma Zenshou straight from the beginning.  Well, you can't really access the Zenshou until you get to Ikebukuro and Level restrictions still apply (not to mention your wallet), so this feature seems essentially useless.  It chooses the nakama at random too, so it's not fun cycling through a random list of 100 + trying to figure out what's your best bet.

Honestly I'm not really sure if I want to go through this whole game again just for an extra dungeon, some skeleton demons, and a new (probably less than 5 minute) ending.  I mean the game was long enough without the Amala dungeon.  The whole thing is just so hardcore as to be almost ridiculous.

So if you were expecting a quick romp through Chronicle Edition... Nope.  Whole game again, from start to finish.

I haven't actuallly entered many posts myself yet. Just the two sticky news items. But I don't think I've noticed anything strange from the admin perspective. What's going on must be a prefilter (filtering your input before it goes into the database) ...I might look into disabling all prefilters, but try to see if there aren't some odd options you're using. You're not using the "visual editor" are you? I think it's off by default, but it's basically wysiwyg. Just try to figure out what you can about what is going on if it's not too much trouble.

It defaults to the visual editor.  I must have left it in that mode when I went back in to change the permalink and saved the changes.

Jesus, what have you got against Potpourri? You're taking those definitions too literally... it's just a dictionary after all.

Because it's the *wrong* word.  I don't have anything personally against it, I do have something against people who are insistent about using the wrong words though. 

We use that word around here all the time. It was actually the first word that popped into my head, and I was relieved it came after Persona cause I couldn't think of anything else that felt natural. It's not as if I scoured a thesaurus for that word.

I highly doubt that you use it at all regularly, and when you do use it to describe something like this you're completely wrong.  Simple as that.  It may feel natural to you, but looks unnatural (and WRONG) to anyone who didn't grow up in the rural South of North America.

I thought that was a falsetto singer, but yes of course. I guarantee you it's acceptable usage. It doesn't mean "rotten pot" anymore obviously, that is just etymology. You're just being a real fag about this. You're better off coming up with a suitable alternative.

You can see why I don't exactly trust your judgment, as far as the English language is concerned, when you're using homophones to describe something completely different than what you mean.  A "tenner" is a ten dollar bill, dude.  A "Tenor," singer doesn't even sing falsetto!!!!!  Can you be any more insistently ignorant?  "Rotten pot," is NOT etymology, it's what the word fucking means in French, guy.  And you're being a real grade-F, undereducated Southern moron about this.  You're better off changing it before you accidentally dig yourself any further into your hole of misinformation.

All the characters are from Megaten. Give it up with this fucked up logic.

Jack Frost is also in SBK: Snowboard Kids and Etrian Odyssey II.  Though he may have originated with Megaten, by the same logic Maken X/Shao also belongs on the list, since it also originated with Megaten.  Jack Bros. is a mascot game.  It's not fucked up logic, it's using your same logic to preclude it.

There hasn't been a true Megaten game made in many more years than that. So by definition Megaten cannon is a footnote??

According to you.  How you cannot see that as playing favorites...    It really is like talking to a brick wall some times.

O before P.

First page of google results: http://www.civilwarhome.com/potpourr.htm

I advise you pick your battles more judiciously in the future...

I don't get into arguments if I'm not right.

I advise you to not to use anecdotal evidence to support your claims when the person you're arguing with is using dictionaries and language reference books to back up his own.  You plainly get into arguments ALL THE FREAKING TIME when you're wrong.  You just refuse to cop up to it 99.9% of the time so people just give up trying to assail that Ivory Tower.

I'm not sure tag graphics are really necessary.  Images will probably be applied to most posts anyway so they probably don't even need to be there.

Are you putting in <span style="underline"></span> elements? You can use <u></u> instead. If you're not putting them in, Wordpress must be generating them somehow. Can you not fix these <br> issues btw?

Nah that must be another present from the Wordpress text editor.    I'll get around to fixing this probably tomorrow.

Geez you're really nitpicking this time. Both definitions register as true.

I'm not being nit-picky, it's just plainly the wrong word to use.  Neither definitions apply.  'Literary extracts' are excerpts from copied or cited material.  I've already explained why the other definition can't apply either, besides the fact that it's pointedly a French word that means "rotten pot."  It just does not mean what you think it means.   

This is what people mean when saying Potpourri colloquially.

No, they think "a small pot of dried, naturally fragrant plant material that middle class people put in their houses."  I've never ever EVER in my life heard anyone use this word in a sentence in non-relation to aforementioned plant material, let alone to describe a loose collection of alike informational material.

Yes it must be the last item in the menu. No it's not worth hacking around. No I don't think your suggestions so far will work in place but keep trying. And I think it works fine given the basically domesticated tenner of the main site.

Do you mean "tenor?"  As in an habitual condition?  Then it doesn't fit the site at all unless you've started an internet gifting business you're not telling me about.  I'm telling you, as someone who is very familiar with the English language, it's the dead wrong word to use and yes, very much worth changing if you don't want to appear stupid. 

There is also Pinball and probably other oddities. That's why it's last. How is Jack Bros not Megaten related btw? You're just rabble rousing.

Jack Bros. is basically an Atlus mascot game.  The gameplay consists of running around mazes and collecting keys.  That's hardly Megaten.   

We don't play favorites in the listings. All those games deserve their own sections. They have distinct universes and gameplay, and are clearly more than footnotes. The Majin series for one is damn awesome if you got the time for turn based strategy.

Like it or not, they really were footnotes.  There hasn't been a Devil Children game made in four years, Majin Tensei in 10 (if you don't count Japanese cell phone mini games), Last Bible in 9 and that was a rerelease...  It really is like you are playing favorites though by giving more or less dead game lines their own sections.

"Others," is probably your best choice if it simply *must* be at the bottom.  "Derivatives," "Spin-offs," "More," anything but potpourri.

[Looks like BoreS put up a link to a torrent so no need to spend a hundo now. But yes, Plus comes with a new version of SMT Nocturne with Raidou and Gotou replacing Dante.]

So do we definitely know what "Plus" is now or what?! Keep us posted with import price drops

Looks like BoreS put up a link to a torrent so no need to spend a hundo now.    But yes, Plus comes with a new version of SMT Nocturne with Raidou and Gotou replacing Dante.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/543/devsum212lf6.jpg

Very bottom of the page underneath Belphegor shitting. 

Awesome, that's what I wanted to hear! Do you know if there are other extras in the game, like new Magatamas, new demons or something like that?

Thanks for the pic

No probs. 

I've played a bit this afternoon.  Near as I can tell it's just Maniacs with Raidou.  Haven't got to the Raidou parts yet though. :(

So do we definitely know what "Plus" is now or what?! Keep us posted with import price drops

Looks like BoreS put up a link to a torrent so no need to spend a hundo now.    But yes, Plus comes with a new version of SMT Nocturne with Raidou and Gotou replacing Dante.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/543/devsum212lf6.jpg

Very bottom of the page underneath Belphegor shitting. 

Did a few of these this morning:

I don't personally understand how these are meant to be used on the internet... but you should keep track of whatever you do in your credits (Sea of Souls) thread so we know where to find stuff later.

Generally they're for use with friend sites.  If people put a link to us up on their site we ask that a small banner is used.  Asian sites typically have them plastered all over the place; I think it's the standard link procedure on DeviantArt as well.  Our own SeraphPiyo uses more than a few on the blog he links to in his signature (also another use for them).  Basically though they're just neat, little networking tools.   

3.    a collection of miscellaneous literary extracts.
4.    any mixture, esp. of unrelated objects, subjects, etc.

Seems fine to me. If you can come up with a better word that comes alphabetically after Persona I'll consider it.

*sigh*  They aren't literary extracts, one, and two, they pointedly ARE related objects and subjects.  If we were including essays about politics and agriculture etc. it would be one thing, but since anything that fell under that category would be a video game related to Megami Tensei we can't rightly call it that without being completely wrong.  It's probably the least appropriate word to be using.

Other possible names for the section: Assorted, Random, Various, Miscellanea, etc.

I wouldn't be so concerned with a miscellaneous section occurring last if you're listing it alphabetically anyway.  "Assorted," and "Various," are both good choices if you want to preserve the general order of things.  Also, you'd probably want to list Devil Children, Majin Tensei, and the Last Bible series under the Miscellanea section, otherwise there really wouldn't be too much point in having it up in the first place.  If you don't want Maken X mentioned than the only other game that would technically belong in that category would be Jack Bros, which is about as related to Megaten as Maken X/Shao are, so...  Something to think about at least.

In the meantime I'm working on expanding the Intro to Megaten thread into usable material for the "series" pages we've got in the works.  I'm editing up what I've got for Devil Summoner at the moment and I'll probably tackle DDSaga next, just because it's relatively short and the Megaten game series I've most recently played through.

Your DDS2 and Jack Bros articles have the same unbroken lines issues (no <br> etc. tags)

This must be something Wordpress is doing in the editing phase.  I just straight copy the HTML.  I'm thinking it might remove them after I edit if I don't make sure to switch to the HTML mode before submitting.  It's done it to me a couple of times when I went back in to edit the permalinks.  I'll look through it a bit on in the evening if I have time.

"Tarukajon"...?

It makes sense, considering the Raidou games aren't turn based.

Maken X doesn't fit into the Megaten universe. I owned a copy and beat it. I love a first person close combat game as much as the next guy, but it isn't Megaten. At best it's associated with Atlus/Kaneko Kazuma, which is not the sole producer of Megaten products, and even if they were it still wouldn't qualify. I'm not being obtuse, it just isn't Megaten by any standard period, ergo it does not belong.

By that same logic neither is Jack Bros. or Shin Megami Tensei Pinball.    Sucks to your "at best," it was made by the exact same group of people, who, though not the sole purveyor of Megaten products, have produced enough of them to at least afford a mention. 

P.S.  Can we please NOT call the Miscellaneous section "Potpourri?"  That doesn't even make any sense. 

Potpourri or Pot-Pourri [pō-poo’rē] (French, literally "rotten pot") was originally a term applied to a jar with a mixture of dried flower petals and spices used to scent the air. It can refer to:

    * Potpourri, a mixture of dried, naturally fragrant plant material
    * Potpourri (Jones / Lewis album), a 1974 big band jazz album recorded by the Thad Jones / Mel Lewis Jazz Orchestra
    * Potpourri (album), a recording by Japanese techno-pop band P-Model
    * Pot-Pourri (group), an Australian opera/musical theatre group
    * Potpourri (music), a kind of musical form structured as ABCDEF...
    * The Potpourri, a Texas weekly newspaper covering two communities Northwest of Houston
    * Akrobatisches Potpourri, an 1895 German silent film / documentary
    * Potpourrii, a puzzle video game

1.    a mixture of dried petals of roses or other flowers with spices, kept in a jar for their fragrance.
2.    a musical medley.
3.    a collection of miscellaneous literary extracts.
4.    any mixture, esp. of unrelated objects, subjects, etc.

I didn't want my name up there at all I just thought it would be weird to paste his name onto something that would be unrecognizable as his previous page.  If I'm just shifting things around a bit I don't mind, but if I'm going to have to rewrite the whole thing eventually... 

I think you're being too obtuse about Maken X.  It certainly deserves a mention on the games page.  We don't have to host FAQs or whatever but it deserves a shout at the very least, most likely to link to a future article on the subject; where it does/doesn't fit into the Megaten universe.

Is a dubjob like a hitjob? DDSaga just has some of the weirdest looking characters (not to mention demons or whatever)

Some of the non home team characters look ok, but all of the main cast piss me off just looking at them. The whole titling bit blows my mind. I can't imagine what that meeting must've looked like. Not to mention what titular gymnastics will be required if Atlus releases a new Avatar Tuner game alongside a new kind of DDSaga title. Dunno why AtlusUSA fucks with the titles so much (in such petty ways) ...you'd think they would've learned with the who Revelations flirtation. Which might've been an ok idea, but who on earth thought Revelations was the right title to go with??? Christian video games anyone

That was probably the biggest let down of the DDSaga series was the lack of characters.  The way the Mantra system works you wouldn't have been able to afford to level up another one though.  Still the characters didn't bother me as much as Persona 3's did.   

I would, but I'm not sure what line feed tags are? 

Linefeed/newline tags are the HTML tags like <br> that force a carriage return (in typewriter days a linefeed/carriage return were different things but you get the point -- linefeed was the original name of the newline ascii character -- windows text files still use linefeed and carriage returns together)

10 – LF – Line feed
    The line feed character is one of the characters in the ASCII character set that has been misused. Originaly, the LF character was ment to move the head of a printer one line down. A second control character CR would then be used to move the printing head to the left margin. This is the way it was implemented in many serial protocols and in operating systems like MS-DOS and Windows. On the other hand the C programming language and Unix operating system redefined this character as newline which ment a combination of line feed and carriage return. You can argue about which use is wrong. The way C and Unix handle it is certainly more natural from a programming point of view. On the other hand is the MS-DOS implementation closer to the original definition. It would have been better if both line feed and newline were part of the original ASCII definition because the first defines a typical device control functionality where the latter is a logical text separator. But this separation is not the case. Nowadays people tend to use the LF character mainly as newline function and most software that handles plain ASCII text files is capable of handling both single LF and CR/LF combinations. The control character is in the programming language C available as \n.

This is why Notepad and Wordpad will fuck up text files you get off the internet (or saved while using a Unix machine)

<p>,</p> would've sufficed. 

As long as you're editing that page I want it rearranged according to the subpages under the "Further Reading" heading. I want all games organized by their universe/gameplay. That means Giten and the Nihon Telenet games go into "Megami Tensei". I want Maken X off the website entirely. And oddball one off games go in the "Potpourri" section (hopefully no new strain of Megaten will emerge alphabetically behind Potpourri)

edited: Also all of those subpages need content themselves. They should be effectively similar to your Megaten Intro thread, but eventually more verbose I'd hope. Make your posts named like "Persona Titles Page", and "persona-titles-page". Let me know when you're working on that, and I'll change over the page templates.

Maken X/Shao artwork is featured in some official Megaten artbooks as well as being developed both by Atlus and R&D1.  I suppose it's debatable but the way the sword has to make philosophical decisions parallels that of the tried and true Law/Neutral/Chaos, so it's not like it isn't a major relation.  Megami Tensei isn't on the packaging anywhere, but it's not on Digital Devil Saga either.  I actually agree with you that it probably doesn't belong up there but I don't think we should be too hasty.

I'll edit the page titles right now but I might as well rewrite the games page and that'll probably have to wait until tomorrow.  No sense in putting Tony's name at the bottom then either.